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Metanoia · Apr 05, 2006, 07:34 AM // 07:34

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"Dispute with evidence that the five mentioned observations are not accurate representations of the general PvE population."

This is the cool thing about fallacies and such, you don't have to disprove things that aren't first proven.

Not that I was trying to, I was merely pointing out to two posters who seemed to have completely missed the point of another's post.

Anyway, this bit did make me smile...

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"You can argue until you're blue in the face that I'm a bad person or that stereotypes are unfair, or anything else you happen to dislike about me bringing them up. But ask yourself why any of those arguments are even relevant.The only argument that will crush any stereotype is that it's not true. If it's not true it's pretty easy to see that it's ridiculous, and poof, no more stereotype.

But you know what?

Most stereotypes are true. Not only are they true, but they hurt because they're true."

...Because...

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Thanks you Ensign, for painting all PvE players with your prejudiced brush, and re-enforcing the notion that PvP players are leet snobs.

That's the only thing that's been said regarding you. Ignoring the hyper-defensive parts of your post, the only thing you really say is that stereotypes are usually true... in responce to someone pigeon-holing you as a stereotypical PvP-snob.

Heh, anyway. You seem a little aggitated so I should add that it is/was not my intention to "rattle your cage". There's no need to get defensive, no one's "attacking" you.

*smears an "X" on her door with goat's blood to ward off the Angel of Dea-- Forum-Pwning*

LightningHell · Apr 05, 2006, 07:57 AM // 07:57

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Originally Posted by stickyballs

For *many* PvE players, fashion > function.

I don't get this part. A sundering hilt/bowstring doesn't modify the looks of the weapon, does it?

Cottage Pie · Apr 05, 2006, 08:25 AM // 08:25

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Originally Posted by LightningHell

I don't get this part. A sundering hilt/bowstring doesn't modify the looks of the weapon, does it?

I call it 'the 1337 hypochondria', same thing as people prefering gold's over blue(collector)/green.

Renegade ++RIP++ · Apr 05, 2006, 09:54 AM // 09:54

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Originally Posted by Ensign

Thank you for reinforcing the notion that PvE players are hypersensitive morons.

Evidencing that pvp players are just as hypersensitive... therefore rendering your point moot

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Originally Posted by Ensign

Do I honestly have to spell out explicitly that I'm talking about generalities, about the norms, about what is typical instead of extreme, with every single comment? Can't I assume that when we're talking about popularity, demograpics, and trends that we're only interested in what is common?

Do you honestly think that I'm so stupid that you have to explain to me that not every single PvE player is concerned with form over function?

about your opinion of the norms. Try to not make idiotic comments relating pve-pvp and you won't have th eproblem concerning the hypersensitivity of a stereotypical representation of a certain playstyle. Although we could argue that the hypersensivity being the first generalisation of a certain group or the remark on this generalisation and again the remark on this remark on the generalisation (and then my remark on this remark on the remark of the generalisation). But it doesn't matter since its the same as the debacle concerning the chicken and the egg and which one was there first. Point is however we are all hypersensitive.

No, not stupid, but singleminded: yes.

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Originally Posted by Ensign

Which group is a vast majority? Which group forms the bulk of the economy in this game and drives prices?

Vast majority you might be right although many other posters consider the pvp players to be a bigger group (see one of the threads concerning number of slots). If that is correct or incorrect, I don't care though seeing as its irrelevant. Bulk of the economy for perfects and driver of prices can be argued seeing that it has been the pvp scene that needed these so called perfect items for having all the possibilities to be competetive while the bulk of your so called pve group just didn't give a rats ass since they are nearly as effective without perfects as with perfects (woot i killed that minotaur with 1 stroke less... see how i pwnzrd it...). If you refute this, i would like to coax you towards all the complaints concerning certain equipment not being available through pvp-only characters like the former anti hex warrior item or the ease of unlocks through pvp in contradiction to pve. etc...

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Originally Posted by Ensign

Dispute with evidence that the five mentioned observations are not accurate representations of the general PvE population.

You can argue until you're blue in the face that I'm a bad person or that stereotypes are unfair, or anything else you happen to dislike about me bringing them up. But ask yourself why any of those arguments are even relevant. The only argument that will crush any stereotype is that it's not true. If it's not true it's pretty easy to see that it's ridiculous, and poof, no more stereotype.
But you know what?
Most stereotypes are true. Not only are they true, but they hurt because they're true.
Peace,
-CxE

Why bother to argue with somebody who made up his mind? It would just drag this person down to the person who is as singleminded to think of an entire group (or majority) as X or Y. And I'm sure you can see the similarities with other generalisations which get punished by certain laws and people frown upon.

yesitsrob · Apr 05, 2006, 11:55 AM // 11:55

wow, this thread has become stupid

the pvp scene has no use for sundering strings, except for switch offs maybe, they have even less use for sundering sword/axe/hammer mods. perfect sundering sword mods don't sell because they are effective, they sell because they are rare, and a lot of pve'ers want exactly that... rare stuff. If that's not why they sell for so much then someone please explain to me why they do...

If we were ever paying for effectiveness vampiric would be the costly one and sundering would be tradable for char carvings... as it is I have to empty my storage if I want to buy sundering (which I don't), and I can pick up vampiric mods for about 5k.

What I hate about sundering is, that when I want to buy a weapon with a nice build in modifier (15>50, 15 stance etc) 80% of the time the idiot selling it has put on a stupid sundering mod to boost it's price, why? Just sell the damn sundering mod seperately instead of ruining a perfectly good weapon and making it twice as expensive in the process... argh, yeah, that's annoying

lyra_song · Apr 05, 2006, 12:05 PM // 12:05

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Originally Posted by yesitsrob

What I hate about sundering is, that when I want to buy a weapon with a nice build in modifier (15>50, 15 stance etc) 80% of the time the idiot selling it has put on a stupid sundering mod to boost it's price, why? Just sell the damn sundering mod seperately instead of ruining a perfectly good weapon and making it twice as expensive in the process... argh, yeah, that's annoying

Argh!! Yes yes! >.<

Ensign · Apr 05, 2006, 12:28 PM // 12:28

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Originally Posted by Metanoia

This is the cool thing about fallacies and such, you don't have to disprove things that aren't first proven.

I didn't ask anyone to disprove anything. I asked for someone to dispute, and to provide some reasoning for said dispute. It should be obvious that there is no 'proof' involved in any of these assertions.

It's simple really. I'm drawing heat for stereotyping the general PvE population as scrubs and/or morons. However *none* of that heat has contested those assertions, at all. If my categorization of the game's demographics are incorrect I would like to know, so I can change how I look at them. However if they *are* accurate, and people simply dislike that categorization, the only proper response is "cry more".

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Originally Posted by Metanoia

stereotypes are usually true... in responce to someone pigeon-holing you as a stereotypical PvP-snob.

And the only dispute I would have with that categorization would be in the semantics - I'm an elitist, not a snob. Though, as an elitist, I can understand the confusion.

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